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baldcondor Member |
posted 04-23-2003 12:35 AM
   
and to sjfinest ... " the same kind of concept ? " .... I apologize for the seeming personal attack here, but facts are facts, I am about to puke .... IP: Logged |
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toogie Junior Member |
posted 04-23-2003 01:26 AM
at the end of the day, what are any of you going to do about it so just smile and walk away. IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 04-23-2003 04:51 PM
oh, toogie, we do plenty, we file lawsuits with big money at stake, and everytime there is a fatality we take revenge... the colombine machine gun thing near Denver Colorado was one of those, and you may have missed the thing in New Orleans, but payback is a bitch, kid ... there was a machine gun there too ... your example of stripping and voluntary felatio is ok, but the life threatening stuff is not ... IP: Logged |
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Englishrose Junior Member |
posted 04-28-2003 10:18 AM
As I have just found out you are 52 years old I would just like to say MOVE ON! were you not at college or where-ever like 30 years ago?! You sad, sad old man! IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 04-28-2003 02:02 PM
good point... likewise, the same principle should apply to upperclassmen who haze underclassmen... what are they doing messing with kids fresh out of high school when they are about to graduate from college ? move on, get real, and grow up. IP: Logged |
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toogie Junior Member |
posted 04-29-2003 09:29 PM
Go englishrose, good call, for all we know, baldcondor is probably on this site to pick on us with big words and making himself feel like a big man bacause in everyday life people do it to him, deal with your own issues and stop picking on all of us with your lame *** insults and stupids theories. Although, and i hate to admit it, you make some valid points, you just have a tiring way of making me feel like you really have nothing better to do with your time than post how ever many comments you have on this site. i think it is time to move on buddy. IP: Logged |
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toogie Junior Member |
posted 04-29-2003 09:32 PM
Go englishrose, good call, for all we know, baldcondor is probably on this site to pick on us with big words and making himself feel like a big man bacause in everyday life people do it to him, deal with your own issues and stop picking on all of us with your lame *** insults and stupids theories. Although, and i hate to admit it, you make some valid points, you just have a tiring way of making me feel like you really have nothing better to do with your time than post how ever many comments you have on this site. i think it is time to move on buddy. IP: Logged |
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Englishrose Junior Member |
posted 05-02-2003 06:03 AM
Thank you toogie, at last someone who agrees with me! You said it in one! Baldcondor needs to address his problems before he starts spreading them on more unsuspected web sites!! Thank you xx IP: Logged |
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jls Junior Member |
posted 08-12-2003 03:41 PM
All of you have got to be kidding me right now! I am a member of a sorority and I am appalled that any of you hve the audacity to open your mouths to say that the national chapter of Alpha kappa Alpha is not responsible for what happened to those girls. Everyone involved is responsible, from the girls, the other people that were there to the larger body of the organization. Nothing is worth dying over. I don't care if the national chapter said the chapter was suspended. I don't care if the girls who were suspended from the chapter allowed this to happen. Something is wrong with a society that attempts to place blame on everyone except who is at fault, which in this case is everyone associated with the organization. If anything, we all need to hang our heads in shame and be a little more humble! Plus, we need to ensure this doesn't happen again. This is an embarrassing and devistating incident. IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 08-12-2003 10:47 PM
I must admit, I felt the same way when I played Santa Claus at a women's shelter, ( My sister set it up, she worked there) and one of the older male children started to physically intimidate some of the younger children, I felt like saying "Do you not feel ashamed, both of yourself and, as a guy, the very need for this place ? What are you doing ? How do you think you wound up here anyway ?" But, and you will take my word for this I hope, at the time it would have been an over-reaction, and I didn't do it .... thank goodness, cause they had enough problems without being shamed to the point of surrender ... IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 08-12-2003 11:09 PM
one more thing, you kids still don't believe anyone actually ever dies, do you ... it shows, believe me ... even when you go to funerals, it shows, esp then. IP: Logged |
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Denounced Member |
posted 08-13-2003 09:46 AM
When all goes wrong, GLO's want to blame on the old, "free will" excuse. As I said in my first post, SPINELESS LEADERSHIP!!!!!!! If AKA would have just simply said, we are sorry and we will do all to assist you in this investigation. Whatever comes out of the whole thing, we accept any resonsibility and liability. A visit to the homes of those who lost loved ones for support. But of course this is not a soap opera, this is real life. They did nothing of the kind as far as we know. The May issue of SAVOY magazine really shows the true issues of the pledge process and how it affects people. Each type of thought that these girls had are addressed in my book which can be found in my profile at my website. IP: Logged |
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AKA_Monet Junior Member |
posted 08-13-2003 09:04 PM
I have seen the frontlines... I am a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. for the last 13 years. I have held numerous officer positions. If folks know anything about Historically African American Fraternities and Sororities, then they understand membership status and activity is maintained well past graduation from college. In fact we take in new members who have graduated from college! Well, I was a graduate advisor for a Southern Californian undergraduate chapter. Prior to my appointment, I was extremely active on the graduate advisory council for that undergraduate chapter. My graduate sorors and I had numerous problems in getting these younger sorors to comply with the rules and regulations set forth by the International Headquarters. Meaning, we would tell them to TURN IN AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT to give to the International HQ so that we would have on paper if these members could be active--meaning participate in membership intake activities... Well needless to say, my graduate sorors and I would have to put these girls on probation or suspend them often because they would not comply with that simple request. Part of being an undergraduate member is maintaining an appropriate GPA and a full time student status at the primary matriculation school... We got every excuse in the book as to why they could not give us their transcript... It gets to the point that these "little girls" are NOT your children and you do NOT take care of them. Why should you incur anymore stress from them? But based upon the law, one cannot force anyone 18 years or older to give them their OFFICIAL transcripts... The fact is, it is easy to blame my beloved Sorority for its inability to control their membership. It seems as if many of you think that there is this little omniscient group that knows what is all going on in some psychotic's mind--which is exactly what these criminal hazers were. Here are some facts just to let you know. Between 2000 and 2001, a Graduate Advisor and I discovered what ALL African American Southern Californian Greek Lettered Organizations Ritual of Hazing Incidences were, but we had NO physical proof. Both she and I constantly complained to our successors what was going down and how something--anything needed to be down. As with any democratic--bureaucratic element, the wheels for assisting our needs within the system failed--especially failed these young ladies. What is worse, if these ladies survived, they would have been my sorors and this insanity would have continued!!! Or have sorors of mine that I know completely follow ever International HQ rule and be ostracized by fellow members because they refused to be a part of the insanity... Watching that happen and seeing the look on my soror's faces who follow the rules hurts... But it never can be explained away by a person dying for what my Founder's NEVER imagined!!! So please, pray for my Sorority as well as the victims and their families. My Sorority has come to aid to the victims families and are mandated to maintain an appropriate relationship as per my Sorority's lawyers... The suspended members who hazed and killed these girls were up for expulsion from my Sorority coming in the International meeting in 2004. That is the deal. So stay tuned... IP: Logged |
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Denounced Member |
posted 08-20-2003 12:22 AM
I dare not pray for the madness to continue. If AKA/AKA's really want to do something about it, they can, but secrecy, loyalty, and ignorance won't allow it. The sorority is TRULY not willing to do what it takes to get rid of this large problem of hazing. It is not a few and far between occurrence and greeks know it. I pray for a conviction of those and ALL who knew and greater exposure of greeks who are doing such. I pray more so for their repentance and getting saved regardless of conviction. IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 08-21-2003 02:03 AM
frats and sororities could indeed serve a useful function in showing incoming freshman how to properly balance their time between the academic requirements and whatever ... also, the connections between you .. your friends, .. and their parents .. some of whom might be in the personell departments of large corporations ... and without the greek system, your circle of friends would not be as wide ... but the sick stuff has to stop, it has nothing to do with anything ... except what is sick .. we are all born with the prime directive to "win" but that does not excuse what goes on ... and there really is no other way to put it, no excuse whatsoever ... IP: Logged |
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AKA_Monet Junior Member |
posted 08-21-2003 08:54 PM
quote: Why this utter hatred for Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. and me for that matter? Just asking... Simply because you are not in the "loop" does not mean nothing is being done. You yourself have not done all the research, nor have you paid anyone to do it. Moreover, cursing my Sorority is verbally HAZING me and what I stand for. HITTING IS WRONG. I DID NOT GET HIT nor do I think that it would be right for anyone else to do so. But it happens even with ALLLLLLLL the rules one makes. It was wrong for suicide/homocide bombers to blow up a bus in Israel, but just because those that have an agreement does not stop them from doing it. The fact is, that OVER TIME the bad apples that my Sorority has will be rooted out. But we MUST clearly and LEGALLY PROVE that those individuals are committing the crimes we accuse them of... We cannot go full blast and NUCLEAR ANNIHILATE everyone. LIFE don't work like that. IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 08-22-2003 10:27 AM
The Jewish settlements in the occupied territories are illegal .. ( I am impressed, though, didn't think you airheads could discuss Middle Eastern politics much to begin with ... ) anyway, whenever you have something done as a function of an organization, the organization is legally responsible, bet you didn't know this, if you are the legal guardian of an under 18 year old, you are legally responsible for whatever damage the kid does, in scuffles, fireworks on fourth of July, you name it ... the victim cannot sue the kid, the victim sues you, the guardian ... get my point ? the buck stops here ... IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 08-23-2003 02:30 PM
If you GLO leadership people think you are in a bind, consider all the youth organizations who, on the one hand, cannot discriminate against gays and lesbians ( in hiring ) yet are legally responsible for any child abuse they inflict ... in other words, just like you were talking about, if you can't fire anyone until after the damage is done, how can you be held responsible ? Well, it is tough, and the first thing to do is to make sure the leadership isn't just indulging in political correctspeak, but rather is truly sincere about the right and wrong of things ... ( If you saw the movie " A Few Good Men " that was an excellent example of the opposite way ... say one thing to the authorities, but in practice do something else entirely. IP: Logged |
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Denounced Member |
posted 08-24-2003 02:21 AM
I don't have to curse that which is already cursed. And to show the people who comes first in AKA, let them read this: "To Thee and Thee only, O Alpha Kappa Alpha, I pledge my heart, my mind, and soul to Thee, to foster Thy teaching, and to Obey Thy laws, and to make Thee supreme in service to all mankind." So I ask all at stophazing, who comes first? Those girls never had a chance to have their rebirth ceremony did they Monet? If GLO's are so adamant to hazing, why don't they send undercover members into interest meetings and become pledges. At the first act of hazing, EXPEL any resposible party FOR LIFE. The cowardly leadership won't do it, and the MANY bad apples will remain. IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 08-25-2003 10:30 AM
exactly . . . ( The only reason there are fisticuffs in professional hockey is because the owners think the fans want it . . . the owners could put a stop to it within 24 hours if they wanted to . . . same thing with these GLO s, just use the phrase "at will" like the employers do, and you won't have to 'prove' anything ...) IP: Logged |
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AKA_Monet Junior Member |
posted 08-25-2003 09:02 PM
quote: What are you talking about? That information you posted is NOWHERE in ANY of the OFFICIAL LITERATURE that Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated has EVER published, printed or stated... So when you refer to my Sorority--make sure your FACTS are correct! Secondly, the criminals that you WANT to impart as members of my Sorority, were NOT members. Anyone can purchase paraphrenalia and perpetrate acting as if they are a part of the organization. NO they do not goto any OFFICIAL meetings, the Internation HQ does not even KNOW who these people are, yet, they HANGOUT where vunerable people are and trick them into doing things under the guise of another organization... It is liken to a person obtaining a police badge and perpatrating a police officer and doing evil deeds... What do you really KNOW about me or my SORORITY? Then, why are you HAZING ME??? Verbally??? Telling folks on this public forum stuff about Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated that are lies, deceit and false aspersions... What is your motivation, really? IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 08-26-2003 01:56 PM
Every single post here written by a GLO member has claimed that the true oaths taken by the pledges are not in the public domain, hence, denounced's credibility on this issue is somewhat higher than yours ... sorry about that ... you seem like a nice, sincere person, but on this issue your phrase " official literature" doesn't quite qualify even as a denial ... too bad. IP: Logged |
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Denounced Member |
posted 08-26-2003 06:13 PM
Monet, Do I need to show this post to other AKA's? I know that GLO's have things that are never written for the sole purpose of committing it to memory. Now you mean to tell me that four separate people, 1 of which is still an AKA, could repeat the same quote? As for these girls not ever being real AKA's, that is left to be seen. I hope not for the sorority's sake. If so, then those girls are simply on their own. As for AKA and hazing, let's be real. You and I both knows it's alive and well in your organization as well as others. I just talked to an AKA. When I asked her if she was hazed, she laughed as if, "are you that ignorant?" Of course I'm not, just the opposite. Her reaction is a strong indictment against GLO's and AKA. "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3 IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 08-27-2003 12:54 AM
most reporters are satisfied with two sources, I should have guessed that Denounced would have twice that ... Monet, your credibility is really on the line here. If I were a betting man, the short odds are on Denounced, the long odds are on Monet ... (most people are slippery enough to respond with something like 'ah, even though that is technically true, it is still somewhat misleading, blah blah ...) but you directly contradicted Denounced ... that is the sort of rhetorical error that is something like pulling trump in bridge, sometimes you get more trump than you bargained for ... [This message has been edited by baldcondor (edited 08-27-2003).] IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 08-27-2003 03:51 PM
oh, I almost forgot ... your example of the suicide bombers in Israel is very much on point, the Israelis do indeed hold the "leadership" responsible and when there are deaths, they send assasination squads to the bedrooms of the political leadership and kill them, ( frankly, I am a little surprised your own chosen example doesn't seem to frighten you some ... ) [This message has been edited by baldcondor (edited 08-27-2003).] IP: Logged |
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jls Junior Member |
posted 09-04-2003 08:46 PM
All of you who have responded who are members of AKA and have tried to place blame on others but your organization need to a get a grip on reality. There is more to life than being in a group. What are you truly defending? This is the very reason why I did not pledge at the undergraduate level. Half of you get brainwashed out of your own identities prior to pledging and you forget the true meaning for entering the organization-sisterhood and community service. So many of you are so caught up in wearing 'nalia' and 'training' at parties. Just admit you were wrong and move on. It is so much easier to be truthful with yourselves and your sisters. I am talking about myself as well because I am in a sorority as well. If it were me, I am mature enough to admit my mistakes. The AKA's need to do the same. IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 09-05-2003 04:11 PM
and for you frat boys, all I can say is anyone who is willing to go 13 weeks without seeing their girlfriend.... doesn't have one. (doesn't deserve one either ...) IP: Logged |
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AKA_Monet Junior Member |
posted 09-12-2003 09:59 PM
quote: YES!!! And I triple, double dare your to do it on Greekchat.com... Be upfront with all the Greeks, not just NPHC orgs., but IFC and NPC orgs...
quote: An official membership intake process was NEVER approved for those girls. What happened was those girls were pledging, which is illegal for my Sorority. And they were doing it underground. All of this information was determined after the death. One had to have been living and actively participating in Los Angeles to know everything that was going on. No documents were sent to the Far Western Regional Director, Diana Shipley, for her to approve of this inactive, not viable chapter to go thru the clearly outlined membership intake process. Neither was the International HQ notified. All was determined after these young ladies died...
quote: So I ask again, what is really your motivation to berate, deride and assault my Sorority? Really, what are your getting out of this but for your own self-edification and idolatry? Do you want me to say your are right? Okay, fine, be right, in your wee bit mind. But you are hazing me... And that is where your humanity lies, also.. All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God... No man can put Asunder... Your the Reverend here... Practice what you are preaching... Or are you a false prophet? [This message has been edited by AKA_Monet (edited 09-12-2003).] IP: Logged |
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AKA_Monet Junior Member |
posted 09-12-2003 10:00 PM
quote: What fantasy world do you reside, my brotha??? Not everyone is privvied to the documentation I have from my Sorority. I do not need to explain to you how I obtained those documents. The fact is I have them. So to demand I explain my sources is ridiculous on such a public form and is in fact a form of hazing... [This message has been edited by AKA_Monet (edited 09-12-2003).] IP: Logged |
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AKA_Monet Junior Member |
posted 09-12-2003 10:05 PM
quote: There is no need to flog ourselves in public. Everyone makes mistakes. \ Since I am not at the top of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. my Constitution and Bylaws along with my Manual of Standard Procedures does not allow me to speak on behalf of the sorority in an official capacity. Since I live in the United States of America and I have the right to free speech, I can speak on what I know as an individual who is a part of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. That is all I can do. Attacking me is not going to make my Sorority be any different. Making spurious comments will not either... IP: Logged |
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Denounced Member |
posted 09-12-2003 11:07 PM
Well here is the bottom line Monet. My book quotes that oath. Until your sorority can PROVE it does not or never existed, it will remain in my book. People will not believe you all because of your secrecy. I can tell you this; the crowds sigh at the hearing of such blasphemy. AKA's that have been a part of that crowd have never refuted it. You say I draw attention to myself, wrong. I don't need the attention, just to see people denounce these worthless organizations, AKA included. Fidelity, Friendship, and Sincerity. Give me a break. As for speaking about other GLO's, come top my website which can be found in my profile. If you want to say that I am hazing you, that's your opinion. To say that I am a false prophet, PROVE IT. You have the documentation. So if pledging is no longer an AKA activity, this means you are paper. The purpose of my ministry is to expose GLO's. Your insults and accusations toward me are useless and fruitless. I took the battle to greekchat and a young lady denounced AKA as a result. Praise God!!! I am happy to say that greekchatters can't handle the TRUTH. Let Jesus Be Glorified IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 09-13-2003 09:51 AM
I have no doubt that you have plenty of "documentation" filled with all the political correctspeak in the world, probably written by attorneys ... ("We do not allow hazing in any form... pledges are merely asked to learn a few things much like in the girl scouts or boy scouts ... etc etc..") the question is how come people are so stupid that they believe any of this ? I rather think it is the fault of the parents, the idea that once you come "of age" there are wondrous experiences available to you, but you still need to be accepted by ( fill in the blank ) to learn what they are .... IP: Logged |
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Denounced Member |
posted 09-17-2003 08:57 PM
What is more important, a sororities' secrets or lying. If you are not saved, it does not matter. AKA Monet? I do not know when you pledged, so maybe you don't know about this oath, but it does or did exist. IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 09-20-2003 07:04 PM
oh, she knows it ... she just didn't think you could 'prove' it .. the "what are you talking about" response is one I have heard before, and in each and every instance it is not even a flat denial, just a way to wait for your 'proof' .. which they hope you don't have .... IP: Logged |
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AKA_Monet Junior Member |
posted 09-22-2003 09:27 PM
quote: And the truth shall set you free... It is unfortunate that you had to go through a negative experience... I guess that is why folks say, "the oppressed becomes the oppressor..." I had a wonderful, enlightening experience. I am grateful my Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated membership experience was positive. Paper burns... Sands last forever... I do not hide who I am through my handles. You can do several searches and find me. Good luck. Personally, you can have all the books in the world regarding my Sorority. But it is the latest version that is important to the International Headquarters. You know the fact I am responding to your idiotic posts are beneath me. You can say what you must to make yourself feel powerful--to get your high... All I can say is, I will pray for you, because you do need Jesus in YOUR life... He is truly involved in mine. I no longer had the need to denounce and degrade others to make myself feel closer to Christ and call myself a Christian. Maybe you do. And that is such a pitiful state, with "simplicity and respect"... Those are the degrees I "pledged my heart, my mind, my strength... To things that are worthwile... And I know that I will have lived my day..." when I die... Keep attacking me. I thrive under controversy... Is it really getting you any closer to Christ? Really? Hey, at your earliest convenience, you can email me all you'd like... I was only trying to help because that is my nature... I do not judge someone until I have justifiable reasons. But you started belittling me without provacation. My question is simple, why? What is really your motivation? What are really getting out of degrading me? You have no idea who I am, nor what I am capable of... Good luck... IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 09-23-2003 12:45 AM
As I said earlier, "you seem like a nice, sincere person, but .." .... and the point is that most individuals are ok, but when they get into some sort of collective, their sense of individual responsibility goes out the window ... look at any of the so-called 'celebrations' (street riots) after a national championship ... most any of those people would be welcome guests at someone's home AS AN INDIVIDUAL , but as a crowd every last one of them probably belongs in jail ... switching gears just a little bit, on the one hand, (we) believe in the right of a couple on a date to have some privacy, yet it is that very privacy that makes it impossible for (us) to say that claims of 'date rape' are true or untrue ... the privacy (secrecy) is important, yet has a downside. IP: Logged |
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Denounced Member |
posted 09-24-2003 08:23 AM
My case is rested on this issue. I was an Omega 5 years. I denounced because of what the Lord revealed to me about GLO's, not just Omega. I will continue to do what I am doing concerning GLO's. And when you become that IVY BEYOND THE WALL, don't think that AKA will be there to mediate for you. Don't think that changing from a black dress to a white one did anything for you, or have they stopped that ritual also? Let me tell you what I know about CULTS. They take information received from true Christianity and incorporate it in a ritual revision. They leave one thing out. The change in the heart, and the power to enforce holiness. They honor with their new rituals, but the hearts are far from Him. The change is cosmetic; covering the ugliness revealed, to make the organization more palatable. It's like rat poison. 98% mmmm good! 2% mmmm dead! So AKA may go by the newest publication, but certain things must remain to keep its original identity. Ophelomen Uripitedes promotes nothing more than a works salvation, not godly repentance. IP: Logged |
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AKA_Monet Junior Member |
posted 09-25-2003 06:11 PM
quote: You still have not answered my question... Why must you go out of your way to berate me? And if you are SOOOOOO against pledging and hazing by anybody's GLO, then why would you call me "paper"? What do you know about "paper" then if you are so against pledging and hazing? Your beliefs are not my beliefs and I choose not to espouse to yours. Neither am I impinging my beliefs upon yours. That is a violation of your constitutional rights... So why are you trying to violate mine? You can have all the knowledge of the world... But if you have no love, knowledge will just fade away... Show some love up in here first, then may be Christ will enlighten your soul... IP: Logged |
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Denounced Member |
posted 09-25-2003 11:37 PM
I certainly will not answer your question or be baited by an individual who has no problem using profanity on the internet. Ye! go to greekchat, it's there. I have shown much love to the deceased, and much love to all on here by telling the truth with NO COMPROMISE. When Jesus called the Jews, vipers, fools, hypocrites, blind guides, etc. Was He showing love? How about when John the Baptist called Herod an adulterer? Was he showing love? My love for you and anyone else is unconditional, meaning that I will put my arm around one when I need to, or spank them when they need it. The love of God is not always, mushy, happy, feel good, etc. Sometimes it hurts. Ask Moses, Paul, Peter, etc. Except a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God. John 3:3 IP: Logged |
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Denounced Member |
posted 09-26-2003 12:02 AM
Answer you for what. You asked for prayer for your organization and I went in the opposite direction. If you can't take it, I'm sorry. I am not going to answer your question, because there is nothing to it. I also refuse one who uses such a foul language as yours. Now that's love! Ye! it's on greekchat, or someone else is using your handle, although the profiles match pretty good. Anyway, I show love by putting my arm around someone and consoling them. I also show love by rebuking one for doing wrong, as I have been rebuked before as well. Jesus, Paul, Peter, John the Baptist, etc. all used the tough love approach. Some were also on the receiving end. I think you need to read the whole New Testament. If you have, I do not see how you could have missed the tough love and harsh, but righteous judgments of God and men of God. Paul made a man blind by the power of God. Is that love? Paul excommunicated a man from church. Is that love? I could go on and on, but I want you to read and find it for yourself, IF YOU desire. IP: Logged |
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