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Alum&Advisor Junior Member |
posted 09-24-2002 12:09 PM
  
To all you who think that hazing builds sisterhoods and brotherhoods - tell that to the AKA pledges who died as a result of a hazing incident. Hazing is a devisive and dangerous practice, both mentally and physically. Those who believe in hazing most often suffer from low self-esteem and lack the fortitude to stand up for decency. Most Greek organizations were founded to promote the ideals of brotherhood and sisterhood - respect, knowledge, love, strength of mind and character. By hazing, you are rejecting these ideals and missions and the brotherhoods and sisterhoods you claim to strengthen.
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h2omoccasin Junior Member |
posted 09-24-2002 01:35 PM
People let's discuss the facts. Yes.. this is sad... yes this is senseless... and yes it is a waste...young women cut down in their prime. Young people you do not have to sacrifice your life to become a member of a fraternity or sorority. Please be diligent and protect yourselves. The people these young women were supposedly " pledging" under were suspended members of Alpha Kappa Alpha, this particular chapter of AKA had not been active since 1996. Most universities and organizations have rules concerning rushing/pledging a greek letter organization---i.e. when is rush period, gpa requirements, whether or not the organization you aspire to join is in good standing with the university, how long rush/pledge period should last, what is hazing.... etc. If you i.e., an aspiring member are knowingly "underground pledging/ rushing" you are contributing to the problem. Point blank. IP: Logged |
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Nonchalant08 Junior Member |
posted 10-01-2002 08:36 PM
The death of those two girls is tragic and I extend my deepest sympathies to their families. As for you, alum&advisor – step down off of your throne. This isn’t the time to shake your finger and scold. Undergrads need guidance, more now than ever. Instead of condemning these girls and their actions, we as alumni need to come together lead, nurture and support our undergrads. It’s very easy to kick someone when they’re down – especially when you feel the need to stand above them. But when the lawsuits are over and the dust settles where will you be? Will you still be standing at a distance, spouting off at the mouth? Or will you be there in the trenches to pick up the pieces and help repair the damage? Two lives were lost – let’s all do our part to ensure that this doesn’t happen again IP: Logged |
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naraht Junior Member |
posted 10-02-2002 10:35 AM
The AKA Sorority has basically said that there *is* no chapter of AKA at CSLA, therefore how can it be responsible. What level of effort must a National Organization make to kill an underground group in order not to be responsible for their actions? Also, in this case, Cal State LA has removed them from their web site, but I have seen cases at Colleges where 10 years after my fraternity has pulled the charter of a chapter and the school continues to list them as a student organization. Should we have to sue the school to get it removed? Randy IP: Logged |
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Nonchalant08 Junior Member |
posted 10-02-2002 01:24 PM
Randy, you're correct, that chapter was (and obviously continues to be) suspended. However, suspending a chapter, doesn't mean that the members no longer exist - they're just inactive. Personally, I don't believe that the national organization should be held liable for the alleged acts of inactive members. If the state and the families want to go after those present at the ocean that night, that's fine. But to hold an entire organization responsible for the acts of women who aren't even eligible to attend a sorority meeting, seems a bit unfair. IP: Logged |
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Alum&Advisor Junior Member |
posted 10-02-2002 02:17 PM
Throne? Just trying to give some perspective - which is hard to have when you're in the middle of a situation. People think, 'Oh, this isn't meanspirited/dangerous/illegal' - but things can get carried away and tragedies happen. Wasn't trying to be preachy, but reading some of the other posts on this board and seeing the cavalier attitude that some people have about the subject is really frightening. As alums we should use our experience and knowledge to the benefit of our collegians - and the seriousness of some subjects, like hazing, requires a serious tone. I'm a little confused about who is down that I'm kicking - what I'm trying to do is work on different levels to keep our greek system a strong and vital part of our lives. This means working to eradicate those activities that pose a threat, both directly and indirectly, to our existance. Sorry, but I don't want to see my sorority sued into oblivion as a result of some stupid meaningless PREVENTABLE action. IP: Logged |
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h2omoccasin Junior Member |
posted 10-02-2002 02:51 PM
Alum and Advisor I agree. ----Two people are dead when its all said and done. Alpha Kappa Alpha --- by the way I am an active member of AKA, is not about hazing or killing folk--intentional or not. Because the organization(AKA,) as well as others BGLOS, continually have to sing our anti-hazing stance in diferent keys and different languagess it seems to get the point across to our undergrads as well as grads---who just don't get it and insist on doing as they see fit , it takes time, attention and precious resources from what we were truly organized to do--- uplift our communities thru service. To all those hazers out there--- I do not pay sorority dues to payout on or settle lawsuits!!! This is what disobedience and willfulness leads to 2 dead women and 100 millon dollar lawsuit. Its beyond stupidity. IP: Logged |
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Nonchalant08 Junior Member |
posted 10-02-2002 04:19 PM
Alum&Advisor, I understand your passion about this subject, but I felt as though your last post was “preachy.” Yes, this is definitely a serious matter, but I disagree with the route you took to express that. I am an active member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. and I remember quite well what it was like to be an undergrad. Just as teenagers rebel against their parents, so do undergrads against grads. It’s natural (I guess), but the way to best teach them is through communication and understanding – not preaching, which will ultimately result in alienating them. IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 10-02-2002 09:06 PM
I do not know what historical incident prompted this policy, but my alma mater, Macalester College of Saint Paul, has had a no fraternity, no sorority, policy for as long ago as anyone can remember, however, there are a few houses off campus owned by the school where foreign language majors can live together, etc ... the school itself is a member of Phi Beta Kappa, which means we have to transcend a trade school mentality, i.e. no nursing programs, no engineering school, no overspecialization in computer programming ... in other words, this fraternity is designed to hold you down in a financial manner as you reach adulthood ... IP: Logged |
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naraht Junior Member |
posted 10-04-2002 09:04 AM
What actions are taken against an Alpha Kappa Alpha sister found to be involved in pledging a line that they are legally not able to since there is no active chapter that they are part of? (In other words, if the girls had survived, but the existance of the pledging had reached nationals...) IP: Logged |
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Denounced Member |
posted 10-04-2002 10:29 AM
That's right. It's all song and dance, tongue and cheek, all talk, no REAL ACTION, when it comes to the hazing policy. If GLO's REALLY wanted to help the problem, I could definitely help. Would the GLO's accept the offer? Probably not! If the sorority was willing to take serious action against hazers, like DST, this may have never happened. These girls may have even known the chapter was suspended. This still does not hold them or the sorority unaccountable. If you are negligent, their is some responsibility involved. One of the best ways to insure good dissemination of information on a college campus is word of mouth. Representatives of delinquent chapters should hold an interest meeting to see who interested and give them the news about the chapter. I do not condone Christians being greek and oppose GLO's completely, as well as care for lives. In each organization, there are many members who desire to see hazing ABOLISHED, and weed out all of the bad elements (the hazers). I did a conference at Kentucky State where individuals admitted that hazing was going on and that they were hazed themselves. They even believed it was God's will. Do you think the Grad chapters would do ANYTHING if they knew this? One guy even said, "the intake process in which I was hazed". Not one of his frat brothers said a word to him like, "what, why didn't you tell me?" ANY hazing violation should be met with automatic expulsion. Lives are at stake, disciplne at this time should be harsh. The intake system is a COMPLETE FAILURE. One problem. SPINELESS LEADERSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been in a GLO. I know the backbone of leadership from nationals all the way to locals. Minister Fred Hatchett [This message has been edited by Denounced (edited 10-04-2002).] IP: Logged |
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h2omoccasin Junior Member |
posted 10-04-2002 02:51 PM
No, its not a song and dance. They would have been expelled or suspended---renegade members and underground pledges alike. I'm tired people of playing dumb and saying, "I didn't know!!!!" . Find out.!!!! If a person wants know if a chapter is suspended or not all they need to do is contact international headquarters. Don't know the number you say. Call information. Every aspirant I've ever spoken with, looks at me with moony eyes and compliments the sorority on how beautiful the website. Do they take the time to read it? No! Like I said before education is the key-- find out when the official rush is ---go to the office of student/greek life on your campus see if the chapter of the organization is in good standing with your campus and their own headquarters, see if you meet gpa requirements( realize the minimum is that the least--does not guarantee membership). No- membership is not based on stupid task, abuse, assault etc. ALL BGLOS recognized by the National PAN-Hellenic Council eliminated pledging in the spring of 1990 in light of a fraternity hazing related death at a HBCU(Historically Black College/University). Alpha Kappa Alpha engaged in a moratorium on pledging, i.e. did not take in any new members---and reviewed its intake process and made changes. Rev., stop making excuses--- for everyone involved. We are talking about people who are pursuing higher education---not mentally challenged 4 year olds. Like you said Rev. some of them even desire to hazed and they shun they information provided and seek out underground lines. Oh,Rev.(Denounced), speak for your own organization. I guess it didn't occur to you to stay involved and assist in reform, huh. [This message has been edited by h2omoccasin (edited 10-04-2002).] IP: Logged |
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Denounced Member |
posted 10-04-2002 09:40 PM
"No, its not a song and dance. They would have been expelled or suspended---renegade members and underground pledges alike. I'm tired people of playing dumb and saying, "I didn't know!!!!" . Find out.!!!!" Then eliminate all the SECRECY and stop the abracadabra foolishness. I'm tired of greeks who pledged after 1990 playing dumb and say we are not a hazing organization.
That is the furthest things from their mind and you know it. "Don't know the number you say. Call information. Every aspirant I've ever spoken with, looks at me with moony eyes and compliments the sorority on how beautiful the website. Do they take the time to read it? No! Like I said before education is the key-- find out when the official rush is ---go to the office of student/greek life on your campus see if the chapter of the organization is in good standing with your campus and their own headquarters, see if you meet gpa requirements( realize the minimum is that the least--does not guarantee membership). No- membership is not based on stupid task, abuse, assault etc. ALL BGLOS recognized by the National PAN-Hellenic Council eliminated pledging in the spring of 1990 in light of a fraternity hazing related death at a HBCU(Historically Black College/University). " What about the many deaths before that? Seems to me like it would only take ONE, seeing we are dealing with EDUCATED people.
Not everyone! There are smart ones who get out. But what about all of those EDUCATED fools who don't? Go figure. Be careful when you equate academic success with desire and common sense. See your comment below!!!!!!!!
What about the retarted members with their higher education who so seldom are held accountable? "Like you said Rev. some of them even desire to hazed and they shun they information provided and seek out underground lines. Oh,Rev.(Denounced), speak for your own organization. I guess it didn't occur to you to stay involved and assist in reform, huh." I would speak about your organization if you had the decency to mention it. Theirs that secrecy thing again. So many get on hear with their song and dance, never mentioning their organization.
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naraht Junior Member |
posted 10-07-2002 08:18 AM
Its funny that the comment about AKA and Christians is made becuase I have been told that of all of the National GLOs that do not have Christian specifically in their descriptive name (Like Alpha Nu Omega does) Alpha Kappa Alpha is the one whose rituals are most oriented to Christianity specifically. IP: Logged |
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hopeful1 Junior Member |
posted 10-07-2002 02:21 PM
How is it possible that so few can ruin things for so many. I do believe that some have forgotten the purpose of sororities, when people say take the intake out of undergrad, I believe they forget the orgin and why it came about. The chapter at the school I attend is a good example of who, and what for. The community service is done on and off campus. I believe if there is a cessation of intake as it is right now the sorority looks guilty when there is nothing to be guilty about. I think they should continue business as usual, and moderate more. However, there are those who like to tread where they should not be. The masses of women who wear the 20 pearls carry the burden of what a few negative apples have rought to the table-AKA CARRY ON! What changes can be made that have not already been done without changing the purpose of the sorority. quote: IP: Logged |
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MYSTRO Junior Member |
posted 10-08-2002 05:02 PM
Just joining a healthy conversation. From what I discern, both as a greek (who pleged for 50 days 5 hours 38 minutes & 7 seconds) and former acquaintance of one of the deceased, no body in this message group seems to have all the information in front of them to argue soundly. Not that I do either, but I have a few statements... As a greek, you want your newcomers to have hood, to be strong and committed to the organization for social reasons. You also want them to be loyal to the purposes of the group. However the problem with pledging is often that people are mishandled and (whether they finish or not) are never debriefed on the purpose of each and every exercise. So from the perspective of the people being hazed everything seems random. I still don't understand why some things happened...and after having had two lines come under me, I realize there is some randomness to the process. However, I see why it would have been necessary back in the day. It brings out some of the most hidden virtues inside a person...breaks them down and builds them back up. It was a way to prepare them to stand in the face of Jim Crow, etc. The problem, in my opinion, with pledging today is that it is underground, unsupervised, and way too physical. I took over 100 strokes of wood in a single night once...this, in retrospect, was random...just so they could say I pledged hard. I know my ancestors didn't die in the middle passage and in slavery for me to, in 199something, have someone who looks just like me beating the crap outta me. I think that the process originally had some Christian undertones, as well as some pagan influences....but ultimately, I believe that it is mostly influenced by urban gangs. Most people who make it to college were not involved in such gangs but probably admired them to some degree...greekdom allows people to have their own hand signs, colors, territories, cliques, etc. It also allows them to "JUMP" people in...well if it walks, talks, and acts like a duck...what do we call it? We know that pledging is often counterindicative of what type of brother/sister a certain individual will be. Many people who were HORRIBLE pledges become outstanding members, leading most events, etc. Many SUPER pledges are AWOL after they cross...too busy pimpin...well at least in my frat..... Kristin should not have left her 2 year old motherless because of this GANG activity. The sad thing is that most greeks on this MBoard are blind as hell b/c they want to continue to see their organization in a good light...so I read sentences of people justifying criminal activity or simply putting it all on the big sisters... If you have pledged any organization and illegally pledged any person, you are as responsible for Kristin and her LS's death as the big sisters. There are psychological studies that prove that people who go through a rigorous process to earn something are more likely to place WAY more value than necessary on the award than those who are simply given it freely. It's sad to see such stubborn adherence go this far. Your arguments are silly. On some basic level, there's nothing wrong with inner city gangs. People without families are embraced by people older than them and they get a sense of brotherhood/sisterhood. But we are now against gangs because we know that they tend to begat murder and other crimes. I believe there have been enough people murdered by frats and sororities to build a similar campaign against undergraduate chapters. In California, there is a law that more than 3-4 people seen together who are publicly dressed in the same colors can (by law enforcement) be considered a gang. This may seem ridiculous seeing as who I could just be kickin it with my friends...why must I suffer for some thugs who do know any better? Because of the shedding of innocent blood...that's why. When you start valuing some letters overs the life of another, you are a gang member. PERIOD. I would rather see my own frat banned completely than for another person to die. That's a no brainer. See...no one talks about the adverse affects of having pledged, you often become blind to your role as a human being.... This is why the other two pledges who survived that night were so reluctant to tell on their big sisters...this is all so sick. The brother/sisterhood, community services, etc., performed by the divine nine combined from founding to present are by no means heavy enough to outweigh the value of one human life...well a month ago we lost two, so you know where I stand about the future of Black Greek Letter Organizations. IP: Logged |
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h2omoccasin Junior Member |
posted 10-08-2002 06:32 PM
quote: Are you serious?????????? (1)Pledging nor hazing *note* there is a difference between the two, in no way, shape form or fashion was/is devised with prepping black folks with dealing with the perils of Jim Crow, segregation, disenfranchisment, predjudice, discrimination, etc. I'm sure that brothers and sisters got and continue to get that message during all the lynchings and racial mob violence that was pervasive in America during Civil War Reconstruction up until now, i.e. Moss, McDowell, Stewart(Memphis, TN;(1892) Rosewood(1923), Emmett Till(Mississippi,1955) and the latest James Byrd(Texas,1998) "It was a way to prepare them to stand in the face of Jim Crow, etc." MYSTRO I hope no one was feeding you that bull while you were pledging, excuse me being hazed. And don't tell anyone else that foolishness either. Pledging, when done correctly is done with love, pride and respect for all parties involved. It educates you about the organization you aspire to join and the community you are charged with serving. Pledging does not involve random, sadistic, violent acts, i.e. 100 strokes of wood, that's hazing. Please stop telling everyone how long you pledged and how much wood you took on an unground line or on a legal one for that matter. It's this kind of madness that aspirants think they must endure in order to be "real Greeks" and as we continue to see gets people hurt and killed. [This message has been edited by h2omoccasin (edited 10-08-2002).] IP: Logged |
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MYSTRO Junior Member |
posted 10-09-2002 12:31 AM
Great...yet another person dancing around the side topics...not getting to the issue. I understand your points, but I doubt that you understood mine. I was putting all of that personal information out there to show that I personally relate to both sides of the argument. My ENTIRE email was about how the nonsense should be stopped. You will rarely get an individual in my situation to keep it THAT REAL! So, rather than turning up your nose at someone, or trying to put the blame on someone, or even telling someone what they should or should not say about the realitied of modern greekdom, take some more time out and reread my statement and try to understand my perspective, my heart, and my intentions before you attack or ignore my points. You wasted your own time arguing semantics, and totally (from what I can assess) misunderstood my intentions. Finally, I disagree with your first statement: pledging is impossible without hazing...maybe it doesn't manifest in the form of beating, but there has never been a group of people who truly pledged without being hazed. They are one and the same...there are just gradations of hazing (i.e. verbal, emotional, physical, mental, etc.). I do not condone illegal hazing or underground processes, and I didn't mean to glorify them...but it is a reality, and because I stand on both sides, that is where I chose to speak from. IP: Logged |
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MYSTRO Junior Member |
posted 10-09-2002 01:14 AM
In addition, having reread both my statement and yours, I see that my stance may seem ambiguous. What I am ultimately saying is that it was NEVER Kristin nor the other girl's fault. But I am, however, pissed with ignorant greeks who seem to want to blame them and their LSs or even the big sisters for a system that was being passed down from generations. Again we disagree with the Jim Crow thing, because my organization was actually founded at a predominantly white (non-elitist) institution. You provided little evidence against my statements, and you seem to have replied to me as if I was fresh off the sands and full of ignorance. I don't appreciate your assumptions. Check yourself. IP: Logged |
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Denounced Member |
posted 10-09-2002 06:51 PM
Mystro, This is really good stuff for my forums. It is just indicative of the predominant greek mentality. Thank-you IP: Logged |
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h2omoccasin Junior Member |
posted 10-10-2002 02:17 PM
MYSTRO- I replied to you like you are fresh off the sands because your entry sounds like it to me. Seriously, you referenced the glamorizing of gang activity as an explanation for the violence that has pervaded BGLO membership intake---- people from my era referenced the influx of Viet Nam vets into fraternities as the root cause of the infusion of violence into membership intake. You may seem fresh off the sands to me because its safe to say I'm probably older than you. Which is irrelevant old or young I would have checked anyone passing on misinformation. In terms of checking myself--I 'll give you that---not trying to a situation of lobbing attacks. Yes,I read your entire statement. I picked that part out i.e. Jim Crow reference, of your entry because it struck me as dangerous and irresponsible. So did the gang thing. Please clarify.
Not trying to make this personal------ just tired of hearing and reading about people getting their heads caved in or worse when it comes to joining a BGLO see the following link: http://www.deltasigmatheta.com/hazenews.htm .I'n also tired of the lame excuses from everyone involved : members, lss /lbs, active, inactive, old skool/newbies, ghost/renegades, aspirants. IP: Logged |
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h2omoccasin Junior Member |
posted 10-10-2002 02:20 PM
MYSTRO- I replied to you like you are fresh off the sands because your entry sounds like it to me. Seriously, you referenced the glamorizing of gang activity as an explanation for the violence that has pervaded BGLO membership intake---- people from my era referenced the influx of Viet Nam vets into fraternities as the root cause of the infusion of violence into membership intake. You may seem fresh off the sands to me because its safe to say I'm probably older than you. Which is irrelevant old or young I would have checked anyone passing on misinformation. In terms of checking myself--I 'll give you that---not trying to a situation of lobbing attacks. Yes,I read your entire statement. I picked that part out i.e. Jim Crow reference, of your entry because it struck me as dangerous and irresponsible. So did the gang thing. Please clarify.
Not trying to make this personal------ just tired of hearing and reading about people getting their heads caved in or worse when it comes to joining a BGLO see the following link: http://www.deltasigmatheta.com/hazenews.htm .I'n also tired of the lame excuses from everyone involved : members, lss /lbs, active, inactive, old skool/newbies, ghost/renegades, aspirants. IP: Logged |
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kb8091 Junior Member |
posted 10-10-2002 02:47 PM
quote: Hey Randy did you know? In short the Organazation is not liable IP: Logged |
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naraht Junior Member |
posted 10-16-2002 12:15 PM
Why does any of this affect whether or not the national organization is legally liable? Randy IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 11-01-2002 04:46 AM
Not to get too far off the subject, but if Denounced mentioned Kentucky and has the title 'Reverend' , well, it seems to me that there is a religious practice of handling poisonous snakes without prior specialty training or protective apparel or even proper antidote medications in the immediate proximity, all to demonstrate one's faith in the Lord . . . and this practice is still in existence in KY .... just curious, don't know, no offense, just asking .... IP: Logged |
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Denounced Member |
posted 11-05-2002 10:05 PM
If you read the scripture where these folks get this from, the foolishness is easy to discern. Although the first case of hazing was in Kentucky, it has spread throughout the United Sates. Snake handling is not a Christian practice. Look at hazing in America and other countries. It is all similar. It is obvious that there is a common source to this practice. GLO's have adopted this practice. IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 11-13-2002 10:12 PM
As a 52 year old, I don't know if I am older than water mocassin or not, but a careful reading of the debate between mystro and water mocassin leads me to score a clear win for mystro . . . I would point out that Muhammid Ali's boxing manager made the point that no matter how well prison inmates try to keep in shape, their boxing readiness suffers from a lack of constant stress on their facial skin, hence they bleed to readily from facial cuts as compared with those who have hadthe opportunity for regular sparring . . . in other words, it helps to know whereof you speak, which mystro clearly does and water moccasin clearly does not in terms of Jim Crow, and even the Black collegiate experience. IP: Logged |
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h2omoccasin Junior Member |
posted 11-14-2002 10:27 AM
BALDCONDOR PLEASE READ POST AGAIN I THINK YOU HAVE MYSTRO'S RESPONSE CONFUSED WITH MINE--- I REFERENCED MYSTRO'S QOUTE BEFORE I RESPONDED. IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 11-14-2002 10:52 AM
I know perfectly well who is who. I am reminded of that American Kid in Singapore who got caught spraying political grafitti on public buildings and was sentenced to be lashed on his bare gluteous maximus, our American President got the sentence reduced to three lashes, but the point was that the closer the skin on his behind approximated shoe leather, the better off he would be in that particular situation . . . There was plenty of training for northern civil rights activists circa 1965 before they headed to the Deep South, and while the training was not 'hazing' per se, I tend to agree with mystro, and I tend to disagree with you, (personally, I have survived several situations where I truly believe that were it not for my amateur wrestling background, I would not have survived . . ; and again, you point out fatalities as evidence that training is worthless, but I tell you that even airline flight attendents etc have disaster drills, even though some situations are not survivable for anyone involved. I do not agree with hazing, neither does mystro, but on the Jim Crow issue, my opinion is that mystro was correct and you were not. IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 11-14-2002 11:15 AM
Let me give you an example from my area . . .a branch of the University of Minnesota (Morris) had a wrestling team with a Black on it... 'they' (the whites, including the coach (who was subsequently fired for it)) thought it would be harmless fun to dress up in Ku Klux Klan robes and hoods and kidnap the Black, take him for a ride, and terrify him with the thought that they really were Ku Klux Klan members. ( as a matter of fact, there were members in the 1920's around here, most notably in towns with a railroad ). While we can all agree that the stunt was wrong and evil and not at all harmless fun, any toughening that the Black had the 'benefit' of prior to this experience was probably to the good, in terms of his psychological health under this kind of stress. ( There are exceptions, the Israeli assisination squad that killed the wrong man in Norway and got caught and arrested by the Norwegian police, the first one to confess was one who had had experience being interrogated by the Gestapo, so that 'toughening' was counter-productive in terms of not breaking under pressure) anyway, I think mystro has a point ... and you don't think he has a point. IP: Logged |
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sisterfriend Junior Member |
posted 11-15-2002 04:08 PM
Does anyone have an update to this case? Whats going on with it now? IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 11-15-2002 06:43 PM
You might not be aware that as I am 52 years old, to me, 15 years ago does not feel like ancient history, but really, it is. And generally speaking, civil suits are settled with a confidentiality clause, so unless there is a special reason, these things do not make the news ... all I can tell you is the coach was fired fairly quickly and that made the news at the time. IP: Logged |
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h2omoccasin Junior Member |
posted 11-18-2002 11:30 AM
Please reference the following link for the most recent statement from Alpha Kappa Alpha:http://www.aka1908.com/aka/today/message.htm Here's the website of legal team representing the High family: http://www.cmrlawoffice.com The official statement from the LAPD: the:http://www.lapd.org/press_releases/2002/09/pr02514.htm I also checked the Superior Court of California- LA District Website:http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil Mediation is scheduled for January 2003 IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 11-18-2002 02:30 PM
I rather suspect there will be some difficulty in this case . . . after all, when there was a helicopter crash in the making of the movie " Twilight Zone " the film director was caught on tape repeatedly ordering the pilot " Lower! Lower! Lower ! " until the helicopter lost stability in its hovering and there were quite a number of fatalities . . . it all went to Court, but the jury didn't make anyone pay off . . ( either they thought the director could make suggestions without taking responsibility, or they just didn't want to harm the motion picture industry .... same thing here, really .. ) IP: Logged |
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sjfinest Junior Member |
posted 01-15-2003 07:52 AM
i just want to send my deepest condolenses to the sisters of aka. first off in response to what happened, im not really sure what happened but from what i heard, they were blindfolded and they had to find each other in the ocean. one was swept away and another tried to save her but they both ended up dead. i think you should find another event that teaches that same kind of concept. if hazing or pledging goes to the extent of death...frats and sororities should rethink the way they handle things. IP: Logged |
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jana_lamar Junior Member |
posted 03-16-2003 04:33 AM
quote: Yes, I agree that these girls should be punished for their action, but I also believe that every chapter of AKA, should not be reprimanded, for something that had absolutley nothing to do with. There are young girls leaving high school and entering college who would like to become a memeber of AKA, there are even women in college that would like to become members. I'm one of them I'm a 20 yr. old college student and I wish people would use their brain sometimes. You say take responsibily for your own actions (when you become and adult)But it's real funny how PEOPLE contradict themselves when african american women organizations are on the up, and up.Well, it's not funny to me!!!!!!!!! IP: Logged |
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jana_lamar Junior Member |
posted 03-16-2003 04:41 AM
quote: Oh, and for those who aren't educated on the facts, these girls although they were part of something illegal, were not even supposed to be there. Being at the wrong place at the wrong time equals conseqences that you may not be willing to endure. Those are the facts. IP: Logged |
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preciouszeta Junior Member |
posted 04-22-2003 11:39 AM
I do believe that u are right about the nationals should not be held responsible for those girls actions. There was obviously a reason why that chapter got suspended. For those girls not to have enough respect for themselves not to let someone tie them up and put them by the ocean tells a lot about their character. That is a question to raise how do we get rid of underground members? You are right just because there isn't a chapter doesn't mean there are no members left on the yard.
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baldcondor Member |
posted 04-23-2003 12:26 AM
anyone who is not in agreement with the phrase " the buck stops here " has no business sitting a desk at national headquarters. It would be like saying that general motors is not responsible for some line worker neglecting to put in the brakes on some car . . . if you want the dues money, the prestige, the honors of leadership, you take the responsibility too. the ku klux klan would never lose a lawsuit if they could get away with saying " anything legal we take credit for, anything illegal the individual members are responsible for, not us ..." IP: Logged |
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baldcondor Member |
posted 04-23-2003 12:31 AM
and again, do you girls realize that you are exactly imitating the garbage that made rape convictions practically impossible just a few decades ago ? " the girl should never have put herself in that situation in the first place" etc etc .... IP: Logged |
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