posted 03-17-2005 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by FrozenMenace:
What are your views on Legacies? Do you think that someone should be guaranteed membership just because their parent is a Frat/Soror?

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posted 03-17-2005 01:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Nupe_4_Life:
Sorry 2cold but I say yes, however not because I think he or she are better than someone that
is not a legacy

[This message has been edited by Nupe_4_Life (edited 03-17-2005).]

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posted 03-17-2005 02:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Nupe_4_Life:
ENewton,
That is real I respect that...At first I felt
bad because in K-A-PSI you are voted in and if you were a legacy you got extra points, but that is were the buck stopped because when it was time to pledge because I was legacy I think sometimes it was harder. Brothers would often expect me to take more or say smart remarks about my dad or my uncle being nupes.

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posted 03-17-2005 04:50 PM            

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Originally posted by mightymouse94:
As a legacy, I caught HELL while on line. I wasn't given my letters, I had to earn them. To be truthful, I earned mine more than my line sisters. I was held to a higher standard due to my background

Sometimes being a legacy doesn't give you advantages.

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posted 03-18-2005 11:41 AM            

A guarantee of membership in a BGLO to anyone is absurd. I feel that anything worth obtaining is worth working for. I honestly feel that you can't fully appreciate things if they're being handed to you. My mom always preached that to me, but I never fully understood until I was an adult and had to make my own way.

posted 03-19-2005 04:19 AM               

But, I quickly learned that this is life, and the way things work in life. Networking is the key to EVERYTHING; careers, school, everything...

posted 03-22-2005 10:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Nupe_4_Life:
In my family all of the men have been NUPES so I guess it is more of a tradition thing. Not saying that it is right because I know this girl that was a legacy of DST, actually her great grandmother was a founder, but she on the other hand was worhtless as far a putting in work for her chapter. But I just remember how proud my father and my uncle were when I crossed and I have a son now I hope on day to see him cross those burning sands if he would like to go that route. So my feelings are more so based on our family tradition. But honestly if I was on the other side of the coin I probably would a different view.

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posted 03-22-2005 10:45 PM            

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Originally posted by paulinies:
My feeling on legacies (we just bid a brother of an alumni this semester) is not guaranteed membership, but a guaranteed bid, as in they are automatically allowed to pledge. I don't know how everyone elses orgs work but mine (and most GLO's on my campus) dont hand out bids to everyone interested in pledging. But back to the legacy thing, i don't think just because someone is related to a member they automatically get letters, they need to prove themselves and bust their *** !

paul

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posted 03-22-2005 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by 2COLD:
Oh, ok...you were talking about being guaranteed as far as votes are concerned....ok, i feel you. i still disagree though.

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I disagree also.

posted 03-23-2005 02:27 AM            

I received this in my e-mail earlier today. Now, I don't know how true it is, but it deals with legacies...

The AKA Alpha Chapter, just crossed 153 girls, had all of them probate and only pin a few of them on the yard(the ones who actually "worked" for AKA). How embarrassing, this is a letter that a prophyte wrote in the school newspaper, she was no too happy.

posted 03-23-2005 07:44 AM            

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Originally posted by onetruedelta:
Everyone,

I received this in my e-mail earlier today. Now, I don't know how true it is, but it deals with legacies...

The AKA Alpha Chapter, just crossed 153 girls, had all of them probate and only pin a few of them on the yard(the ones who actually "worked" for AKA). How embarrassing, this is a letter that a prophyte wrote in the school newspaper, she was no too happy.

To the Descendants and Prospective Descendants of Ethel Hedgeman Lyle and to Whom It May Concern:
This letter is to address the piss poor attempt to preserve what every soror holds dear to her heart, the Alpha Chapter. First, let me recognize and congratulate those ladies who have "worked" hard since their freshman year to become a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. You ladies are what I call the true essence of what it means to truly work hard for something and obtain it. Only you ladies can say that you are the "light" that Soror Lyle seen in 1908. Now let me address those potential descendants who rode into Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. on the backs of their mother, grandmother,etc, who have never attended a program other than that prior to rush, and who have never given me or my sorors the time of day until "the flyer" was posted. I call these women a piss poor excuse for being a legacy. To these women, I say this, you know within your heart that you did nothing to earn the honor of becoming a member of this organization (and believe me, I as well as others, know who you are), but also know that as long as I can breathe the letters AKA, I will never call you my soror. Now before eyebrows begin to rise, let me explain. To me, there are two types of legacies: those who have earned their position to become a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. and those who I have outlined previously. The legacy clause was implemented to ensure the preservation of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc, not to water it down to such an intake line as Alpha, spring 2005.
With that cleared up, let me move to my next purpose which is to apologize to a young lady whom I will call"Bliffany Drayton". Why did I choose this name? Maybe it was my piss poor attempt at discretion, maybe I don't want be discrete, or maybe something must be said. Ms. Drayton you are what my sorors and I call the "true essence" of determination and dedication. Since you have been at Howard University, my sorors and I have done nothing but torment you, belittle you, and disrespect you in every way. But despite all of that, you were determined and did anything you could to show your dedication. To me and many of my sorors, you should be one of those who received that call. If anyone on deserved that honor, it should be you. If it were up to me, I would trade all of Spring 2005 just for you, but unfortunately that is not the case or my decision. Ms. Payton...I mean Ms. Drayton (another attempt at discretion), on behalf of those who think as I do, I apologize to you. But I must say one thing, please don't let this discourage you in any way. And I know that despite all of this, one day I will have the privilege of calling you my soror. Remember,that which does not kill you, will only make you stronger.

To the MIP class of spring 2005: Some of you have earned your position, while MOST of you have not. You will be lucky if at your probate, you do not get booed by the masses who know what I know. I say again, most of you are a piss poor attempt at preserving "Alpha Excellence". Believe me, you are the furthest thing from "Alpha Excellence".

To the always Envied, Elite, and Divyne ladies of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.: I love you, you are my sorors, but we definitely have a serious matter on our hands

Your Soror,
Envy Greene

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posted 03-23-2005 09:17 AM            

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Originally posted by onetruedelta:
Everyone,

I received this in my e-mail earlier today. Now, I don't know how true it is, but it deals with legacies...

The AKA Alpha Chapter, just crossed 153 girls, had all of them probate and only pin a few of them on the yard(the ones who actually "worked" for AKA). How embarrassing, this is a letter that a prophyte wrote in the school newspaper, she was no too happy.

To the Descendants and Prospective Descendants of Ethel Hedgeman Lyle and to Whom It May Concern:
This letter is to address the piss poor attempt to preserve what every soror holds dear to her heart, the Alpha Chapter. First, let me recognize and congratulate those ladies who have "worked" hard since their freshman year to become a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. You ladies are what I call the true essence of what it means to truly work hard for something and obtain it. Only you ladies can say that you are the "light" that Soror Lyle seen in 1908. Now let me address those potential descendants who rode into Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. on the backs of their mother, grandmother,etc, who have never attended a program other than that prior to rush, and who have never given me or my sorors the time of day until "the flyer" was posted. I call these women a piss poor excuse for being a legacy. To these women, I say this, you know within your heart that you did nothing to earn the honor of becoming a member of this organization (and believe me, I as well as others, know who you are), but also know that as long as I can breathe the letters AKA, I will never call you my soror. Now before eyebrows begin to rise, let me explain. To me, there are two types of legacies: those who have earned their position to become a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. and those who I have outlined previously. The legacy clause was implemented to ensure the preservation of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc, not to water it down to such an intake line as Alpha, spring 2005.
With that cleared up, let me move to my next purpose which is to apologize to a young lady whom I will call"Bliffany Drayton". Why did I choose this name? Maybe it was my piss poor attempt at discretion, maybe I don't want be discrete, or maybe something must be said. Ms. Drayton you are what my sorors and I call the "true essence" of determination and dedication. Since you have been at Howard University, my sorors and I have done nothing but torment you, belittle you, and disrespect you in every way. But despite all of that, you were determined and did anything you could to show your dedication. To me and many of my sorors, you should be one of those who received that call. If anyone on deserved that honor, it should be you. If it were up to me, I would trade all of Spring 2005 just for you, but unfortunately that is not the case or my decision. Ms. Payton...I mean Ms. Drayton (another attempt at discretion), on behalf of those who think as I do, I apologize to you. But I must say one thing, please don't let this discourage you in any way. And I know that despite all of this, one day I will have the privilege of calling you my soror. Remember,that which does not kill you, will only make you stronger.

To the MIP class of spring 2005: Some of you have earned your position, while MOST of you have not. You will be lucky if at your probate, you do not get booed by the masses who know what I know. I say again, most of you are a piss poor attempt at preserving "Alpha Excellence". Believe me, you are the furthest thing from "Alpha Excellence".

To the always Envied, Elite, and Divyne ladies of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.: I love you, you are my sorors, but we definitely have a serious matter on our hands

Your Soror,
Envy Greene

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posted 03-23-2005 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Uknow:
Whoever wrote this should be ashamed of themselves. This beef should've been aired out amongst the membership and not made public. I was taught very early on that you do not air your dirty laundry in public. To publicly make statements like this let's me know that this individual is clueless. Who is she, the avatar of AKA? Is she the archetype of AKA? Who is she to judge the next person when I'm sure, when she went through her process, there were some ole' school AKA's who questioned her process and worthiness as a potential member. She hasn't even given these neo's the opportunity to set about the task of working hard for their org. As I've stated in previous threads, pledging is the easiest thing anyone will ever do for their org. The REAL pledging begins once you've been initiated. What you do and how hard you work for your org once you're member qualifies your pledge process. I would suggest that some ole' head AKA's sit down and have a chat with this young lady.

[This message has been edited by Uknow (edited 03-23-2005).]

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posted 03-23-2005 10:17 AM               

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Originally posted by onetruedelta:
Everyone,

I received this in my e-mail earlier today. Now, I don't know how true it is, but it deals with legacies...

The AKA Alpha Chapter, just crossed 153 girls, had all of them probate and only pin a few of them on the yard(the ones who actually "worked" for AKA). How embarrassing, this is a letter that a prophyte wrote in the school newspaper, she was no too happy.

To the Descendants and Prospective Descendants of Ethel Hedgeman Lyle and to Whom It May Concern:
This letter is to address the piss poor attempt to preserve what every soror holds dear to her heart, the Alpha Chapter. First, let me recognize and congratulate those ladies who have "worked" hard since their freshman year to become a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. You ladies are what I call the true essence of what it means to truly work hard for something and obtain it. Only you ladies can say that you are the "light" that Soror Lyle seen in 1908. Now let me address those potential descendants who rode into Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. on the backs of their mother, grandmother,etc, who have never attended a program other than that prior to rush, and who have never given me or my sorors the time of day until "the flyer" was posted. I call these women a piss poor excuse for being a legacy. To these women, I say this, you know within your heart that you did nothing to earn the honor of becoming a member of this organization (and believe me, I as well as others, know who you are), but also know that as long as I can breathe the letters AKA, I will never call you my soror. Now before eyebrows begin to rise, let me explain. To me, there are two types of legacies: those who have earned their position to become a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. and those who I have outlined previously. The legacy clause was implemented to ensure the preservation of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc, not to water it down to such an intake line as Alpha, spring 2005.
With that cleared up, let me move to my next purpose which is to apologize to a young lady whom I will call"Bliffany Drayton". Why did I choose this name? Maybe it was my piss poor attempt at discretion, maybe I don't want be discrete, or maybe something must be said. Ms. Drayton you are what my sorors and I call the "true essence" of determination and dedication. Since you have been at Howard University, my sorors and I have done nothing but torment you, belittle you, and disrespect you in every way. But despite all of that, you were determined and did anything you could to show your dedication. To me and many of my sorors, you should be one of those who received that call. If anyone on deserved that honor, it should be you. If it were up to me, I would trade all of Spring 2005 just for you, but unfortunately that is not the case or my decision. Ms. Payton...I mean Ms. Drayton (another attempt at discretion), on behalf of those who think as I do, I apologize to you. But I must say one thing, please don't let this discourage you in any way. And I know that despite all of this, one day I will have the privilege of calling you my soror. Remember,that which does not kill you, will only make you stronger.

To the MIP class of spring 2005: Some of you have earned your position, while MOST of you have not. You will be lucky if at your probate, you do not get booed by the masses who know what I know. I say again, most of you are a piss poor attempt at preserving "Alpha Excellence". Believe me, you are the furthest thing from "Alpha Excellence".

To the always Envied, Elite, and Divyne ladies of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.: I love you, you are my sorors, but we definitely have a serious matter on our hands

Your Soror,
Envy Greene

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posted 03-23-2005 11:41 AM            

That's not to say that they don't care, but they have more pressing issues to deal with.

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Originally posted by REDalert05:
I think the internet, period, is a bad place to discuss "family business". If the issue was regarding the Alpha Chapter, then it should have been handled in Alpha Chapter. Obviously, their national office felt these women were worthy of membership. It's very sad that one person's opinion will make the entire chapter look bad.

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posted 03-23-2005 12:03 PM            

I agree and it's not the National Office's responsibility when it comes to the selection process, but they do set the standards and requirements for membership.
A person will not be eligible for membership unless they first meet the requirements set forth by the national body.

posted 03-23-2005 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by REDalert05:
I think the internet, period, is a bad place to discuss "family business". If the issue was regarding the Alpha Chapter, then it should have been handled in Alpha Chapter. Obviously, their national office felt these women were worthy of membership. It's very sad that one person's opinion will make the entire chapter look bad.

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posted 03-24-2005 12:56 AM            

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Originally posted by zeta 4 life:
WOW!!! I know how you feel but I do think you shouldnt have put this out among other organizations. How about SkeePhi.com - does that still exist it would be a better forum for you to discuss this.

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posted 03-24-2005 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by 2COLD:
I agree with you UKnow. It seems like she's trying to validate something to everyone else other than her sorrors. I wonder how true this letter is.

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I also wonder whether this letter is authentic - considering that the author used what appears to be a pseudonym (i hope it's totally fabricated).

Either way, I think it is very sad because either (1) this is a misguided member who allowed her anger to cloud her judgement or (2) this is an outsider who have obtained info which should have never reached common knowledge status.

In either scenario, this is just another example of why discretion is so important .